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spaceman
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Journey tape debate
Apparently Steve Augeri is lip-synching....this from a Journey fan who claims he has proof.....here's a link to his blog
http://www.escape-to-tape.blogspot.com/
I've been a Journey fan since 1980 and I'm hard pressed to believe this......lets hope the band clears this up....it's causing quite a stir on Melodicrock.com and the official Journey forum.
Such a stir in fact that the Melodicrock.com webmaster has been compelled to comment.....strange indeed.
http://www.melodicrock.com/
thoughts......comments?
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WOLF 359
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I saw them at Manchester and i couldn't tell if Steve Augeri was miming , didn't look or sound like it to me but this is causing quite a stir around the net . I hope it's not true but if it is what then ? , sack the guy , ask for our money back ? . Have another find a Perry clone competition ? . Let's all just wait and see before we pass judgement OK .
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Gordy
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Having read/seen the evidence, there is little doubt in my mind that some kind of "back-up tape/cd" was being used. Perhaps Steve's vocal chords were under stress and instead of cancelling tour/shows, they carried on by using a tape/cd.
What would you prefer - to have the shows cancelled and not see them at all, or to go see 'em even with a bit of vocal augmentation going on ? At least the rest of the band were playing live weren't they? Now, if the whole band were miming to a backup tape/cd, I might have a major problem. Remember, I live in a part of the world where few if any major acts like this will ever visit, so I am not spoilt for choice, and would welcome Journey playing here even with a bit of compromise on vocals and backing tape usage. However, I can see why most of you would be upset.
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melodic rocks
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Journey = still Journey, but.......................
The Fact is.......Journey starts a great tour with Def Leppard in The States on Friday. There are a ot of rumours about using tapes for the lead vocal parts, some people, even close to the band, say Augeri's using machines for 50 -80 % of
' the repertoire' . He already had a lot of tonsil problems last year. Many people fear that Augeri is going to be sacked and probably will never have to sing seriously again.....
A lot of people won't buy a concert ticket for outrageous melodic music sung by machines........
I saw Journey at Arrows in Lichtenvoorde, the vocals were too good to be true, to say the least.
I'd love the concert, seeing my heroes ( Castronovo, Schon, Valory ) finally live, but when the truth about the lead vocal tapes comes out and the rumour is true, I won't go for a great Joruney concert with the most beautiful songs in karaoke-version again. 
The Journey -forum Black - Talk removes and bans every post about this matter...on melodic rock.com and melodic.net you can follow this open discussion.
Journey - Live at Manchester June 5th 2006 ( listen to the vocals, please)
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melodic rocks
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Rockline article........
JOURNEY SINGER ACCUSED OF LIP-SYNCHING
If an anonymous blogger is to be believed, Journey concerts haven't exactly been live performances. The Escape To Tape site has messages from "rockndeano" that say Journey frontman Steve Augeri (pronounced aw-JEER-ee) has been lip-syncing on stage to a pre-recorded vocal track, while the band plays live behind him. To prove his point, "rockndeano" has been posting live audio recordings and video footage online that he says prove his point, but several of the clips have been removed from their hosting site, and the blogger says pressure from Journey's management forced the hosting sites to take them down -- but a couple of audio tracks can still be found. There's been no public response from the Journey camp, but the band's webmaster is refusing to allow any discussion of the topic on the journeymusic.com message boards "until the rumors and speculation are officially addressed." Based on his posts, "Rockndeano" expects a response from Journey at any time. To check it out for yourself, go to escape-to-tape.blogspot.com.
Neither the blogger nor Journey's publicist responded to messages yesterday (Sunday, June 18th)
This' fuzzy ' article reached many rockmagazines in the States......too bad for the band and their fans awakening rumours again....
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Nick C
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I was at the Manchester concert and there were enough small mistakes and strained vocals to convince me that the vocals were live, there was even a couple of times when SA missed a cue for a song or came in a little late and surely if it was lip synched then the ruse would have been blown apart there and then.
I dunno....I reckon this maybe some egotistiacal doofus with an axe to grind. But hey if I'm wrong I'm wrong... I guess time will tell.
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melodic rocks
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SA enhanced
Thanks, Nick,
for Journey and their fanbase, I hope you' re right......
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spaceman
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Gordy, I understand that you don't get to see many shows but would you really want to dish out your hard earned cash to listen to someone lip the lead vocals.....backing vocals maybe but lead vocals is totally unacceptable IMO.....well lets just hope the band clears this up one way or another. Hopefully this isn't true but it's looking like it is and could be devastating for the band and it's fans.
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Gordy
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mmmm,...I suppose I would be upset if I knew in advance about it, or could tell from the performance that it was lip-synced. I feel a bit annoyed when I notice such things on live concert DVDs that I own - you know, where they have dubbed in some studio recorded stuff later on to make it sound better. 
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HIBA
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In the light of things as "well earned cash..." etc. I think that's the fact why they supposed to have done it ! To avoid a disappointing appearance on stage after so many years, guess what !!! It turned out bad anyway ! I understand you guys, I would be rather mad to, but when in a concert hall or festival. Can you really tell that the band is faking it ??? Without somebody afterwards telling and showing you ? I don't think so, it's a thing that started off back in the 80's, maybe earlier. So far rock bands have been "honest" to their following, but now... Well still can't say I'm surprised.
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WOLF 359
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Talked to a mate of mine who was down the front at Manchester , he told me no way was Augeri miming to tape's said you could see and hear everything from where he was and Steve Augeri missed cue's stopped singing to shake hand's etc . If they use backing tapes for the harmony vocals who care's most band's do , wait till their touring partner's get on Stage DL , thay use load's of backing tape's but it doesn't detract from the performance . Let's all wait and see what Journey say before we crucify the guy and the band ok .
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Nick C
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I noticed over at MR.com that so many people are quick to jump on board some conspiracy theory and damn the guy on some few live tapes. It's turned into a real slug fest over there 
I downloaded the Manchester version of Be Good To Yourself which the guy who is making the accusations lists loads of things for example where the sync machine skips, or where the machine cuts out and Augeri's voice falters and I can't hear what is being suggested to me, there is supposed to be all these errors and I'm not getting them. Maybe it's just me.
There are suggestions at MR.com that the recording has been doctored to make the band look bad which would account for the "robotic voice" saying supposedly "You Crazy" at the 1:17 mark because I swear blind if this is from Manchester then I certainly didn't hear it ... I played it my wife who was there with me and she hadn't heard it ..... it's so loud how could you miss it? and I was paying special attention to Be Good To Yourself at the concert as it's one of if not my fave Journey song (which I have mentioned in various threads at other sites in the past...it used to be the first song I put on in my local pub juke box along with Only the Young).
Like I said earlier I guess time will tell but I would be surprised if the rumour turned out to be true. But stranger things have happened.
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Gordy
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Interesting - the whole rumour could be false based on doctored evidence. I hope so for the fans sake.
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HIBA
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Same !!!
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Deenfan
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This is about as bad as the moviemistakes.com or what they call themselves. Worthless. If 1% of this is true, I'll be surprised. What can you prove with video footage? -that your system has out of sync problems?
This is plain silly, and I can't imagine Journey gets anywhere with replying to these accusations. The only answer everyone will believe is if they go out and say "It's about 70% lip - sync nowadays. We even uses Steve Perry's voice for about 10% of the clips. unused studio takes from the original sessions..."
Anything less than that won't stop the rumours. *sigh*
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 AV
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Miming or no miming I really have a great time during there gig at the Arrow Rock Festival two weeks ago. I for me did'nt see it, but then I was not that close to the stage. For me it seems like the real thing and if it was so than tell me witch band do not use any sampling on stage these days.
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snoe
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I was very close to the stage at the Arrow Rock Festival. I was 2 meters away from Neal Schon and could see every move of the band. I never had the idea they used tapes for Augeri's main vocals. However, it's hard to spot if tapes are used for backing vocals.
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melodic rocks
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Steve enhanced
Antoinette and Snoe.............well , well, maybe I almost stood next to you at this glorious Journey concert.
Apart from the backing vocals, there was no ' karaoke ' in my opinion, the vocals sounded great !
I had a great time, but i'm very much surprised by the discussion on other fora.
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Nick C
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At least it's not turning into a slanging match over here as it has over there...kudos (as they say). They seem to be a very angry bunch at MR.com. Poor Andrew I heard they have been a bit out of order in the past too!
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maximus7
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Its bad news when things like this come out.
Hope its all untrue - Graham Bonnet once suggested Michael Schenker used a roadie back stage for some of his solos
surely not 
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cammy
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i spoke to a friend who saw Journey 2 weeks ago and he said it did not sound as if they were using tapes
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Deenfan
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Anyone seen the Def Leppard / Journey show(s) yet? -Should tell us a lot.
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Rab
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This all sounds completely daft to me. I was at the Edinburgh gig, and at no point did I think Steve was miming. The vocals sounded very much "live", and if I was honest, sounded a little low in the mix and not perfectly clear - something I'm sure wouldn't have been the case if it was backing tapes.
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timbo
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miming? no chance!
I was at the manchester gig and it was one of the best gigs of my life.Ther crowd sang every song with the band and the place was just rocking.IMO there is no way augeri was miming.
I have also listened to a bootleg copy of the manchester gig which is crystal clear and there is no way he mimed.
cheers,tim.
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spaceman
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Well it appears Steve Augeri has been replaced by Jeff Scott Soto. This from Melodicrock.com......
JOURNEY: STEVE AUGERI RETURNS HOME - JEFF SCOTT SOTO FLIES IN:
Steve Augeri has stepped down as lead vocalist for Journey on their current tourand has returned home. This follows recent reports of vocal problems. His last show for this tour was in Raleigh, NC on Tuesday night.
During recent shows he has struggled with his voice and as I understand, he was aware before the show that this would be his last performance of this tour.
Although plagued with problems from the outset of the show, Steve handled himself with dignity and grace and has to be applauded for his contribution to the band and the manner in which he has handled himself.
Jeff Scott Soto, Neal Schon's bandmate in Soul SirkUS has flown in to meet up with the rest of the band and will make his debut Friday night in Bristow, VA.
I'm somewhat shocked here, but it appears that the use of tapes may have been true.....unbelievable
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Gloobey
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There is a decent audience recorded bootleg from the Manchester show doing the rounds out here that so obviously shows the use of tapes throughout the gig that I am shocked and a little disturbed that any of you could have not realised what was going on...
Fact is, the band have been found out, are embarrassed and are looking to distance themselves from the source of the problem. Every single one of you who paid good money to see the band live has been cheated, simple as that. There is no other way of looking at it, using tapes in a live situation is a deceitful practice for the simple reason that to allow it for the embellishment of a live show will ultimately only lead to itfs over use...and then we genuinely wonft be able to tell if itfs live or memorex. What then.....?
If we allow this, we should also allow our sportsmen to take steroids. It is really no different.
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melodic rocks
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JSS in, SA out
Gloobey has right...............I hope for Steve Augieri he will return healthy as soon as possible, but I think it's over for him.......enhancing his voice through machines isn't a solution that will last. And the Journey-members need their money, selling 20.000 seats every evening....a chance that will never appear again.......
I hope also that Jeff Scott Soto will have a great time and that he is the ' optima forma' for the Journey tour this year.
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Nick C
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Well my ghast is well and truly flabbered. I apologise for an earlier post for saying the guy was a doofus (not such a bad name lol) who was trying to stir this up. I was at M/C and would have sworn no tapes were being used for the main vocals as there were some missed cues and stuff!
Currently I can't get on to MRock.com and the Back Talk section of the Journey site is not responding either (strange) as I would have liked to have read the feedback.
I hope it's a temporary thing for Steve Augeri's sake.
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Nick C
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Just a little extra as it seems I'm rolling over and accepting tapes were used 100% which I'm not. I'll leave that for history to decide.
Even if this proves to be the case in the end it still doesn't diminish the enjoyment I had at that show one iota. It rocked, plus it could've been worse I coulda been seeing Madonna.
By the way Nack Cave mentioned as my listening to right now on the above post is actually Nick Caves evil twin that was left in a cupboard for years!
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darkblue
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Well well well, the biggest scandal in rock music since........well I'm not really sure, but it's big!!!
Journey were awesome at MOR, and although I agree with you Gloobey, hearing those songs on a hot summers day , live(ish  ) for the first time is a memory I will still cherish even if it is somewhat tarnished.
Taking a wider look at this though, it maybe also answers, and asks a nother couple of questions.
Many of us wondered why Augeri didn't sing lead on all the tracks on the album. We maybe have our (true) answer now!
The question is though when I saw Journey at MOR I was astounded at just HOW good Deen Castranovo's lead vocal was, as a drummer, I know how hard it is to add backing vox, never mind lead a song while playing reasonably intricate drum passages. More tapes? Will we ever know?
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AORSATAN
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Make STEVE PERRY an offer he cant refuse.
Although i love the albums STEVE AUGERI
appeard on, to me there is only 1 vocalist
4 this band 
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swriter
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ok, now that Jeff has been announced, maybe it was on tape cause he was having some very serious throat problems, SO WHAT!!!!!!!!! He gave it his best and unfortunately, he was hurting at the start of the tour, it was an unfortunate thing he had to be replaced, but his throat health is at stake, whatever is best for him, thats what I feel!!!!!
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Deenfan
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I'd love to see them live. If a line here or there was on tape, I don't think I'd mind much. Bvox has been on tapes for many years, and big names as Madonna has used them for lead vocals on specific songs.
Best thing is a great singer doing a great performance.
If he's there to sing out of tune or losing his voice all the time, I'll take the tape any day. Just smile, you puppet you...
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Retrospect
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Journey
I can confirm that Journey were using backing tapes Live.
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melodicmetalmark
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I was ay Monsters of Rock and was fairly close to the front to see Journey. I did think to myself that the sound quality was pretty good but thought nothing more of it at the time.
I was just mesmerised that at last after so long waiting i'd finally got to see Journey and nothing else really mattered.
If it hadn't been brought to our attention that tapes had been used i must be honest and say that i'd never have noticed.
I don't really feel "cheated" like perhaps some other people might because they'd admitted that S.A had a problem and have addressed the situation.
Hope S.A makes a full recovery soon, but J.S.S seems to be filling in very well. A "once in a lifetime" opportunity for Jeff which i'm sure he'll be loving every precious moment of?
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